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Sara Grimes: Tech Restrictions for Children are More Dangerous for Their Safety

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Episode Summary

With the recent scandal involving X and Elon Musk allowing users to use Grok AI to undress women and children, this issue is a major concern for parents and carers about how the digital world is shaping up for our kids.

Sarah Grimes, the leading voice in children’s online rights, returns to discuss with me the current regulatory landscape and how it evolved since our last discussion a year ago.

With AI and tech evolving at lightning speed, it has become more apparent that enforcement is often weak, leaving companies to operate in a near free-for-all.

Sara highlights how this lack of oversight allows harmful content, like deepfakes and AI-generated media, to target young users with little consequence.

We discussed how different countries are tackling these challenges in various ways. In the US, states like California are pushing forward with child protection laws, but enforcement is inconsistent. Meanwhile, Europe is leading with privacy-focused regulations, though their effectiveness is still under scrutiny.

The key takeaway? Banning kids from platforms isn’t the answer—it often pushes them to unregulated spaces like the dark web. Instead, Sara highlights that we need responsible regulation that involves kids in creating safe online environments.

By focusing on privacy-by-design and holding platforms accountable, we can work towards a digital future that respects and protects children’s rights.

Join the conversation that calls for positive collaboration and trust-building between parents and children in navigating this precarious digital landscape.

Key Takeaways

(YouTube Timestamps)
  • 00:00:00 – Preview
  • 00:02:47 – 2025 Review in terms of children’s rights online since Trump’s election and his influence on Big Tech.
  • 00:14:25 – How does America’s lax behaviour toward regulating big tech impact Canada as the next-door neighbour with deep dependency?
  • 00:20:06 – The big problem with Australia’s recently introduced social media ban for under 16s. Why Tim and Sara fundamentally disagree with this approach.
  • 00:26:12 – How certain governments benefit from preventing young generations from accessing social media – ie, their only source of news and geopolitical events!
  • 00:30:34 – The impact of Silicon Valley’s “move fast and break things” philosophy on children’s online safety – a philosophy shared by Epstein!
  • 00:35:30 – The long-term impact of banning children from accessing online platforms on their education and the normalisation of dangerous trends, such as the manosphere.
  • 00:44:20 – Should social media platforms finally be treated and regulated as media outlets and content publishers?
  • 00:49:57 – Early signs of whether the Australian ban is effective, with emerging contradictory arguments.
  • 00:58:18 – Sara’s direct response to critics who support tech restrictions for children and social media bans.
  • 01:04:16 – The surprising attitude of young people toward online privacy
  • 01:15:16 – How banning children further exposes their private data to big tech.
  • 01:20:02 – What has Sara learnt from her work with the United Nations about other countries’ concerns about Trump’s Silicon Valley and children’s online safety?

Our Favourite Quote from This Episode

Regulating a third of the internet’s users who are under 18 for every behavior and everything that they download and do. How could that possibly be the easiest and best way to solve these problems?

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About our Guest

Prof. Sara Grimes

CEO Retort guest profile: Sara Grimes

Professor Sara M. Grimes is a prominent scholar and leading expert in children’s digital media culture, rights, and play. Since August 2024, she has served as a Full Professor at McGill University, where she holds the Wolfe Chair in Scientific and Technological Literacy.

Her research examines the intersection of technology, commercialisation, and childhood, with a particular focus on digital games and virtual worlds.

Current projects include an ongoing partnership with A-Game Studios on the development of a rights-by-design game for 8-to-12-year-olds that will deepen children’s climate science literacy and resiliency through fun and empowering play. This project is funded by the Canada Media Fund and Ontario Creates, and is part of the Design Well, Play Well community led by the Joan Ganz Cooney Centre, UNICEF and LEGO.

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