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Shushma Patel: AI will always need human creativity in order to exist

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Episode Summary

I had the pleasure of inviting Professor Shushma Patel, the UK’s first Pro Vice Chancellor of AI at De Montfort University, which took me down a bit of a memory lane as an alumnus.

But our conversation was a deep dive into the evolving landscape of AI and the current push against genuine innovation, from engineering to the arts.

Shushma explained the logic behind the recent merger at De Montfort, which brought together the faculties of computing, engineering, media, arts, and humanities to facilitate wider interdisciplinary collaborations.

This is the concept I like to discuss and debate in the world of AI: multidisciplinary convergence to solve real-world problems.

Shushma also emphasised the importance of responsible AI, highlighting that while AI holds immense potential, it must be applied ethically and with a deep understanding of the problems it seeks to address.

On the personal front, we both reflected on our own experiences of discovering AI through the power of bioinformatics in the 1990s. We discussed why building such wide experiences at the university level is vital for broadening horizons and opening doors to new possibilities for students and aspiring entrepreneurs in the field.

I’m not a fan of the anti-university rhetoric and the overblown nonsense of celebrating dropouts. I argued that in a world where AI is rapidly evolving, it’s essential to remember the human element. As Shushma aptly put it, AI should support learning, not replace it.

Join the conversation now for a glimpse of a positive AI future – once the current bubble explodes, and we start to prioritise grifter-free discussions of how AI can actually serve innovators, businesses, and humanity.

Key Takeaways

(YouTube Timestamps)
  • 00:00:00 – Preview
  • 00:04:05 – How Shushma’s overseeing a unique faculty mergers of Computing, Engineering and Media with Arts, Design & Humanities
  • 00:14:56 – Tim and Shushma discuss the importance of being outliers and how it impacted their careers in AI
  • 00:32:15 – Tim and Shusham debate whether there is a need for AI degrees and courses
  • 00:38:54 – The biggest problem in the world of AI is a lack of people’s understanding and real-world applications beyond the hype
  • 00:44:48 – Is AI really replacing jobs, or is it “fake layoffs”?
  • 00:50:48 – What does a successful deployment of AI models look like in the real world and business applications?
  • 00:59:28 – AI’s negative impact on families, younger generations and their learning skills, and why educators and parents need to act
  • 01:10:47 – How corporations manipulate consumer perceptions and pricing using AI
  • 01:17:22 – How the tech sector pushes toxic and negative narratives against students and young people, painting a hopeless picture for their futures
  • 01:31:04 – Why supporting diversity, disability and mental health is critical for better innovation that actually serves people

Our Favourite Quote from This Episode

Education is transformative. It cannot be replaced. AI should not replace learning. AI should support learning.

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About our Guest

Prof. Shushma Patel

The CEO Retort Guest Profile: Professor Shushma Patel.

Professor Shushma Patel is the Pro Vice-Chancellor for Artificial Intelligence at De Montfort University (DMU) in the UK. As a prominent figure in computing, engineering, and media education, Shushma is the first person in the UK to hold a senior university leadership position dedicated solely to AI.

With nearly 30 years of experience in higher education, working as a lecturer, researcher, and academic leader, Shushma is a passionate advocate for equality, diversity, and inclusion, particularly in promoting women in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics) and leadership.

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